Two linkspams, who talk to each other, about something other than a man (26th July, 2010)

  • My Fault, I’m Female is collecting short personal stories of experiences of sexism.
  • The Westboro Baptist Church (famously and aggressively homophobic) protested at Comic-Con for “worship of false idols”. Comics Alliance reports on the cosplay counter-protest at Super Heroes vs. the Westboro Baptist Church and Courtney Stoker has more photos. (Note re triggers: photos are mainly of the counter-protest, the Comics Alliance one looks like it might have a WBC sign in the background.)
  • Speaking of Comic-Con, Kate Kotler reports on the Girl Geeks Tweet-Up at Comic Con.
  • Out of work? Maybe it’s ’cause you’re unattractive: a survey of hiring managers suggests that being attractive is a very important hiring criterion. Right. So education, skills and experience are, you know, sort of relevant, but not as relevant as how you look in a dress.
  • The Invisibility of Women in Computing Jobs: an Intel hiring simulation game had a wee gap. But then, when you went to hire employees…they forgot to include an option to hire any women.
  • Hey, Baby Link Roundup/Open Thread: What I think the detractors are missing is that this is a video game, and it’s helpful to look at it in the context of video games and video game culture. Both Hess and Kesler seem hung up on the violent aspect of the game, but, like it or not, video games are, by and large, violent.
  • redeyedtreefrog is sceptical of another explanation of why so few women in science: …they argue women perceive STEM careers (those in the fields of Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics) as largely incompatible with one of their core goals: Engaging in work that helps others.… I admit to considerable skepticism about this. Women and business? Not so altruistic.
  • firecat is wary of completely buying into self-promotion: one argument that comes up is women have to… learn how to play the game and that means learning how to play up their accomplishments.the game often seems to mean trying to crush other people’s contributions so yours looks better in comparison. I think those parts of the game are broken.
  • Heather Albano writes about setting up a court-intrigue/romance game plotline in a gender-equal gaming world.
  • januaryhat: In honor of old-school skiffy: II: In the Golden Age, real sci-fi was brought to you by quality publications such as BoobieShips & TitRockets.
  • The Obscurecast Episode 10 features Pewter of the ‘mental Shaman talking about geek feminism.
  • The solution to everything is a reality TV show. So it shouldn’t surprise you that the answer to women in tech is… a reality TV show.

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Thanks to everyone who suggested links in comments and on delicious.

13 thoughts on “Two linkspams, who talk to each other, about something other than a man (26th July, 2010)

  1. Scylla Rhiadra

    Interested in how the technologies of “virtual worlds” like Second Life are enabling the role playing of extreme violent porn and simulations of violence against women, including rape and snuff?

    Interested in hearing what “virtual” feminists are trying to do about it?

    Check out the SL Left Unity Feminist Network’s new “Consumer Watch” blog, which sheds a little light on the darker corners of Second Life.
    [Warning: Some posts contain images of extreme violence that may be triggering]

  2. Kate

    Hey Mary! Thanks for the link, glad you enjoyed the Comic Con coverage. Been checking out your blog, very cool…


  3. FreeDeb

    Pretty homogeneous looking cast so far on the Nerd Girls show, all white and all thin. I just sent a note asking if that was intentional.

    1. Ginny


      Yeah I noticed that too. Luckily, the sample casting videos seem to be a lot more diverse, so I just hope that carries over to the actual show. I think the thin thing will be par for the course though… I have a feeling they will screen the applicants for a certain definition of “hot” as well as anything else.

  4. Addie

    I’m so glad the Westboro counter-protest is getting so much link love. I saw it in person and even if most people disagree with the protesters to start out with, seeing such a critical mass of folks actively deeming them irrelevant in public really makes a powerful statement. There were really only two or three Westboro people standing nearby them, so they were utterly drowned out.

    I attended Comic Con last weekend and was thinking Geek Feminism stuff the entire time I was there. I’m glad to see that some of the coverage made it to linkspam.

    My friend Mindy, who attended with me, posted some thoughts on the “Women in Marvel” panel that was on the last day of the con on her blog:

    The event was really fascinating. There were many female-centric panels, and yet those that I attended seemed to brush off the sexism that still pervades both the entertainment industry and geek culture in general. I was also surprised at the prevalence of booth babes around the event when the gender distribution seemed roughly equal. Sends a clear message to the attendees about whose business is really valued by the companies that are participating.

    1. Mary

      If anyone who attended wants to guest post about geek feminism at the con, or particular events at it, please get in touch ;)

  5. Carla Schroder

    Mark Shuttleworth again characterizes criticism as bad manners in “Tribalism is the enemy within”

    Rather than either ignoring or responding to criticism, Mr. Shuttleworth takes his usual approach of characterizing criticism as bad manners and poor community behavior. Y’all might recall how he visited here briefly in the wake of his infamous, sexist and crude Linuxcon keynote and delivered a lecture, talking at us rather than engaging in a real discussion.

    Mairin Duffy made some excellent comments to “Tribalism is the enemy within” pointing out his hypocrisy. Best quote, which was a response to another commenter: “I also have to disagree with you if you intend to assert that employing a female executive absolves a company’s male employees of any offenses towards females.”

    1. Carla Schroder

      On second thought, there is more to this than I thought, and Mark’s blog makes more sense than I first thought. Because the basis for the current wave of “Ubuntu sux” carping seems to have not much of a basis.

        1. Carla Schroder

          Mairin, because it’s all heat and little substance. Greg DeK’s original blog that started all this is one big whine with nothing to back up his assertions:

          “One of the most irritating things about working at Red Hat was watching Canonical take credit for code that Red Hat engineers wrote.” But he does not cite a single example of this.

          “In the ONE area where Canonical claims to have the MOST customer focus and the MOST engineering expertise, Red Hat still outproduces them ***16 TO 1***.

          OMFG, SRSLY? SIXTEEN TO ONE!!11!!11!!one!!!!!”

          Uh huh. Again, nothing to back it up, and then he cites Greg Neary’s GNOME Census, which tracks commits for the entire history of the GNOME project. So this 16-to-1 rant is bogus, given that Red Hat has been around a lot longer than Canonical. And what does it have to do with ‘taking credit for Red Hat code’? He says

          “They’ve been very successful at positioning themselves as the Eternal Champion of the Linux Desktop, and positioning Red Hat as the boring old has-beens who long ago abandoned the Desktop fight, and just do backroom server work that Real Linux People don’t care about.”

          WTF is that all about? Again, nothing to back it up. Not a single example. RH did drop the consumer retail desktop to focus on the enterprise, and a lot of the exact same criticisms were leveled at Red Hat — they were greedy poachers who didn’t contribute enough, they tried to make the world think they were The Only Linux, they were bad for linux, they were traitors who ceded the desktop to Microsoft, blah blah blah.

          How can any of this be taken seriously when it’s so baseless and whingey?

          Regarding not playing nice with upstream, it sounds like typical dev fights to me. Again, nothing new, we’ve heard this all before many times– play nicer with upstream, but upstream doesn’t want our commits, well because they suck, ok then we’ll keep them in our own repo, oh no that is anti-social and wrong, but you don’t want them, etc ad nauseum.

          Jono’s and Aseigo’s exchange, in an excessively Alphonse and Gaston sort of way, discusses the difference between openness and upstreaming, but they don’t talk about what to do when upstream doesn’t want your code. I’m really not seeing any reason for all the anger.

  6. Carla Schroder

    One more thing– from the perspective of the Red Hat, or Ubuntu, or Mandriva, or any distro user, what difference does it make where the apps and widgets etc come from, as long as they work? Third-party apps and widgets are everywhere. One of the comments in the Jono-Aaron discussion was that the Canonical applets don’t work in Gnome shell. Well the Gnome shell is still alpha, but even so I’d be more concerned about that than where the source trees live. The code is all open, so what’s the diff? I can see it being a problem with workflow and support– I don’t see it as justification for big ant-Canonical hate.

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