Linkspam all the way down (15 October 2013)

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6 thoughts on “Linkspam all the way down (15 October 2013)

  1. Meredith L.

    With regards to the Twitter/ashedryden link…what??? Is there more context to this? My husband is a labor and employment attorney, and based on what he’s told me I can’t imagine any employer doing something as stupid as firing a person after that employee has reported sexual harassment/abuse at work. I’m sure it *does* happen, but any employer with two brain cells to rub together would know that this is pretty much setting yourself up for a lawsuit. So…again, is there more context to this? These people need to lawyer up and sue the living behesus out of their former employers!

    1. Tim Chevalier

      I was constructively dismissed for supporting a friend’s harassment complaint at work. I went to the university diversity office, and was told that the faculty member who was primarily responsible had acted correctly and was not engaging in retaliation. I went to a lawyer, and she told me that I didn’t have a case (but also that my university was notorious for ignoring sexual harassment claims) and that most lawyers were reluctant to get involved in lawsuits against public institutions.

      I think you’re underestimating the difficulty, and risk to the victim, of filing suit (and of course, in lots of parts of the world, harassment isn’t necessarily even illegal). It usually seems to me to be the case that the victim *always* pays the cost of the harassment (financially and emotionally), whether or not they choose to report; whether or not they choose to take legal action. Lawsuits have the additional problem that they often result in the victim’s reputation being smeared, especially if the perpetrator is well-liked in their community. In the specific case of discrimination for being trans or queer, suing may not be an option because having their trans status or sexual orientation known publicly would be more harmful to the victim than just doing nothing. And losing such a case can be devastating in many ways.

      So I think it’s doing a disservice to victims to essentially blame them for not using the legal system (which was designed by rich white het cis men to in order to protect wealth and favor people like themselves) to try to get justice.

    2. MadGastronomer

      You really need to do some more research on the real effects and sequellae to reporting sexual harassment. The figures are out there.

      Employers tend to find some reason to fire you after reporting, and it’s very difficult to prove that it’s really about the harassment, especially to judges and juries who are far more sympathetic to harassers than victims.

    3. Blah Blah Blah

      I think your comments completely underestimate the fact that someone would 1) have to know a lawyer, 2) be able to afford said lawyer, 3) have time to meet with the lawyer, and 4) be able to provide unquestionable proof for the case.

      I once hired a lawyer to help me sue my mother for child support. He took my money and wouldn’t talk to me again. He was the only lawyer I knew aside from ones who focused on DUI cases. Of course, this was in a tiny town of 3,000 people. None the less, my situation prevented me from being able to get a positive result.

  2. Meredith L.

    I apologize; it was never my intent to victim-blame. Absolutely not. I think I was just so blown away by how many employers still get away with this sort of treatment. I know that it’s hard for people to get jobs in similar fields once they are labeled “troublemakers,” and for that reason a lot of victims have to bear the shame in silence. I guess I’m just still shocked, is all, and I don’t think we as a culture should ever get to the point where we take it for granted that this just *happens*.

  3. Meredith L.

    Sorry, I posted that too quickly while on hold with the electric company.

    What I meant to say was that, like any time I hear about something awful in the world, it always shocks and offends me. I know for a fact that suing an employer is not that easy: my husband deals with this every day. My best friend was fired for gender discrimination and he advised her that while she had a solid case, she’d forever be followed by this lawsuit when applying for jobs. So she did nothing, and it killed us to hear her make that decision since I’ve known her all my life.

    Just know that there *are* people out there trying to “fix” this broken system through the laws themselves.

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